Archive for the ‘Deadzone’ Category

Its fair to say over the last few years I have drifted away from large scale (mass battles) wargames and moved on to small (skirmish) games. This all come about from my change of life style two years ago, leading me to have a lot more free time on my hands. It has also lead me into solo gaming, with the likes of Zombicide, Incursion, and a few others.

However I have always had an “itch” to get back into “dungeon crawl” type games, granted a few years ago I did start playing Warhammer Quest which has to be one of my favorite games. However it was short lived. I could have picked up GW’s new Warhammer Quest – Silver Towers game, however I have my doubts that it would live up to its predecessor!

One of the main reasons that I backed Mantic Games Deadzone v1 was for the solo play, however I could never get my head round the rules. And so for the best part it ended up being shelved. However with the DZ v2 kickstarter last year I had high hopes, but however the solo rules (or AI deck as it was known) are gone. Maybe they will return in a future supplement, who knows.

Zombicide by CMON, can also be played solo. And I have played many games on my own (quite a few when I was laid up in hospital) However the original seasons 1-3 were set in the modern day, while the new Black Plague is set in medieval times and while not relay a “dungeon crawl” it would at a push, pass for one  (especially some of the bigger monsters). CMON have just launched a new KS project called “Massive Darkness” however it is not going to be ready to ship until April 2017, and as much as I like most of the models  I think I will have to pass it by.

However I still have this “itch” for a good old fashioned “dungeon crawl” featuring orcs and goblins, skeletons, and all the rest. This does however lead on to Mantic`s Dungeon Saga. Now first off, I passed on the Kickstarter. At the time I had no interested in the project, and as with a few of their projects there were a fair few problems. However most of them seem to have been sorted out now. I have how ever manged to get hold of a KS backers pledge for a very good price.

Now I just have to wait for it to arrive………


Its been a while (nearly 4 months), and its time to look back at the various KS projects I have backed. So since the last post Deadzone Infestation has turned up see here

Deadzone: Infestation Pt 2……………….

and here.

Deadzone: Infestation Pt 3

As has Wave 2 of AvP

Get Away From Her, You Bitch!…………..

and also Wave 1.5 of Shadows Of brimstone.

The Good, The Bad, And The Mutated…………

and here.

The Good, The Bad, And The Mutated Part 2…………

Lets take a look at what else has happened.

All Quite On the Martian Front: Another company has bought all of the moulds and IP from alien dungeon, however they have stated that they will not full fill any out standing KS items to backers. In other words if you want it you have to pay again!

Shadows Of Brimstone: the next expansion Trederra has been previewed, and it has grown from what it was originally. It is now classed as a “deluxe” expansion.

Aliens vs Predator: Nothing new on the AvP front, apart from a preview of the dropship from Aliens.

Conan: Looks like wave 1 will ship in October (one year later than planed) with wave two following later on.

Zombicide BP: Has just arrived, an boy is the box big!  I did not go for everything this time (like I did with season 3) but their is a hell of a lot of stuff.

Warpath: I only backed this to grab some bits for deadzone, but it would seem that mantic are receiving a lot of flak over some decisions with the new rules. As well as a few of their other KS projects.

Dropfleet Commander: Seems to be going well with delivery next month!

The Walking Dead: Mantic have shown us the new plastic terrain and 2 of the 5 mats for the game. Shipping has been pushed back till October (even i think September was pushing it)

Now lets go have a look at Zombicide Black Plague……………………….

So its time for the final part of my deadzone Infestation “un-boxing”. Now as any one who read part 2 of this review will know that I had both the Veer-Myn, and Asterian boosters missing from the box. With that I posted a support ticket with mantic, filled out all the missing bits and sent it. A few days later I received a reply acknowledging my “ticket”, and that a number of items were out of stock and it would be sent as soon as the items arrived. Then last week I received an email saying it had been dispatched and the ticket was closed.

And then on Saturday it arrived.

First up the Veer-Myn from top left: Brood Mother, Night Terror, Chem-thrower, Progenitor (renamed Nightmare in the rule book) and old restic nightmares. All of them are made from the “new” plastic with the exception of the old nightmares. Out of them all the only model that I am not keen on is the Chem-thrower(I just don`t like the design). The details however are excellent.

Finally we have the Asterians. On the left are the Kalyshi and on the right are the drones. Now the Kalyshi were one of the sets of models I was looking forward to. And to be honest they are lovely models, but they are let down by being made in metal. As the weapons are very fine and the metal is very very soft, it can lead to them being bent (or snapped off). The 2nd one on the bottom row, had its weapon bent back on it self. The drones are the same as what were supplied with first DZ campaign, however I think one of the options was originally made in metal. But I could be wrong.

Now I have had plenty of time to read through the “new” DZ rule book, and I have to say it is a lot more clearer to read than its predecessor. I did try on many occasions to read the rules for the original DZ , but don`t ask me why I just could not get my head round it! However the V2 book seems to make a lot more sense to me. My only problem is the lack of “solo” rules (which were one of the reasons I backed DZ V1).

Hopefully I will be able to get to play the game properly this time round!

Lets try this again, as for some reason it did not post the last time!

So the other day my DZ:I KS pledge arrived, and any one who has followed my blog for a long time will know that I was hoping for DZ to be a replacement for 40K. Alas however it was not, first off was the “restic” material that the models were made from (which has been discussed in another post). And secondly were the rules, to me they were in a mess. And no matter how many times I read them, I just could not get my head round them.

However fast forward to April 2015 and mantic announce a “mini” KS project for a 2nd edition of DZ, with the aim of “tidying up the rules”. This time round it did not generate the same amount of cash as the first DZ KS but did well enough to get some new plastic models made in the form of the Veer-Myn crawlers/stalkers and the Nightmares, enforcer pathfinders and jet bikes, Forge Farther Steel Warriors, and some new scenery. And some other metal models (some of which changed to plastic). Now I was one of the early backers but I did sit on the fence for most of the project, as I was not overly sure that it was “value” for money. However as the project came to the end I decided to stick with it! And in the end I went for the Lockdown Pledge and a few add-ons, Industrial Quadrant, Ogre Terminator, 2 sprues of Steel Warriors, and a deluxe gaming mat.

Now  a number of things changed since the end of the project, firstly some of the models (resin and metals) were changed over to a different type of plastic. And secondly the rules had gone from a few tweaks to clean them up, to a very heavy edit with lots being removed. Both of these things caused a lot of frustration with backers.

Now with my pledge arriving the other day I went through everything to check that it was their and not damaged and I have to say that Mantic have done a better job with this project than they did with the original all the bags were labelled with what they included, but some where along the lines all 3 of the Veer-Myn boosters and the Asterian booster are missing.

First up we have the new Veer Myn Nightmares (left picture) and the Night crawlers/Stalkers.

Next we have the Pathfinders (left picture) and the Jetbikes.

DSCN0923 (2)Next up we have the Forge Father Steel Warriors.

Next we have the “new” plastic models, with the plague Aberation  (left picture). And (clock wise frome top left )Blaine on jet bike, Enforcer N7-117, and the Veer-Myn piper and rat swarms.

DSCN0926Next we have the few metal models starting from top left, Ogre terminator,(Rebs) Adrienne Nikolovski,  (Marauder) Skyscraper, (Rebs) Rin Hunter/Bounty Hunter, (Rebs) Teraton Shock Trooper.

Next we have the new “industrial” terrain. Now unlike the first DZ project all the terrain is “sprue less” even down to the connectors (thank god)!

I must say that I am impressed with the quality of the models, the “new” plastic is a step up from what was supplied with Mars Attacks and is miles better than “restic”. The new terrain also gets the thumbs up and will hark back to anyone who had the old “platform” kits that were made some years ago. The quality of the “deluxe” gaming mat is also excellent, after the 4 that I received with my Mars attacks pledge where each one was darker than the first.

Now all I need is the missing Veer-Myn, and Asterian boosters and I can finish off the review

I’ve been pretty quite the last week or so, down to a throat infection which knocked me for six. It did how ever give me some time to go through my first Deadzone kick starter stuff, which has mainly been untouched since I put together the Plague models a while ago. This was mainly down to the fact that I had never worked with Mantic’s “restic” material  before. Granted I did read up about it before starting the Plague models but the results were OK, but they could have been better.

Now resting up the last few weeks has given me the time to have a look at “restic” again (especially as DZ:I was due). Now first things first “restic” is described as a mix of resin and plastic. It holds detail very well and is as strong as resin, but as light as plastic. It can be reshaped in warm water, but needs to be glued with super glue. It is however quite hard to work with, and a lot of the first DZ kickstarter models had some pretty bad mold lines. Using a file or fine sandpaper creates a “fuzzy” area that needs to be removed. Scraping it off with a knife leaves the area looking flat (which is no good on a curved armour plate). And this is why my DZ models were boxed back up, I would say 90% of them needed a lot of prep work to get them ready.

However after reading a few guides on the internet I came across a guide that mentioned using a brass wire brush (like a toothbrush). At the time it seemed like a weird idea, but I had to try it! With luck I managed to find a brass wire brush in my old spray gun cleaning kit. Now the guide said to remove as much of the mold line as possible, and then to rub the brush back and forth over the area, and as I said it sounded weird. But to my surprise it worked!

And so armed with a way to clean the models I set about cleaning up the “Rebs” faction (one of the worst offenders for mold lines) and in all it took about 3-4 hours to clean up 18 models and glue them together.

This leads nicely on to, my Deadzone: Infestaion KS pledge turned up yesterday. I’ve opened the box and had a look inside but need to sort it out to see if its all their. which I intended to do later on today……………

Its come round to that time of year again, last week I had a sort out of my model collection  (it had nothing to do with my wife wanting to switch rooms around in the flat!) it did however let me sort things out. Going through everything, their were a number of Kick starter projects that I decided to part with, namely CMON`s Blood Rage game  and Battle Systems Sci-fi Terrain.

Both of which were picked up to use with other ranges ( BR was for Conan and the BS terrain was for AvP) however for one reason or another nothing has been mentioned about them for either game. And as much as I liked the Battle Systems terrain the modifications that need to be made (due to it being the 1st print run) would have driven me mad. And while I liked the Blood Rage models again nothing has been mentioned crossing the two over.

Also sitting on the fence at the moment is one of the Secret Weapon tablescapes tile sets that I received that was wrong. I had intended to use the Forgottorn city/ ruined temple for LOTR/ The Hobbit games, but it has remained in the box ever since I did a review of it.

at the moment I am also looking at sorting out my box of necromunda gangs, as well as some of my 40K orks.

I need to make some space as Deadzone: Infestation is meant to be shipping  soon, which neatly leads me on to the subject of Mantic Games.

Over the weekend I popped into my local games store to pick up some matt black spray. Now I normally buy it from one of the £1 shops in town, but the last lot that I picked up had a satin finish to it. Which while taking base colours well, it does not like dry brushing straight over it. But back to my local store, they have added sale section to the store with various end of lines, and overstocks. And I was surprised to see that a large selection of stuff was from Mantic Games, now I was a little shocked at this being as some of the stuff has only just came out.

However it transpires that all those Kick Starter projects that mantic do just don`t help independent retail sales, after all if mantic are going to throw loads of stuff at you cheap during a KS are you going to need anything at retail?. Which is a fair point, and to be truthful the only things I have picked up were some veer-myn and their grim cargo game (and that was some 4 years ago)

For me it is the lack of support for their games. Look at Deadzone V1, the project was started back in 2013 and finally ended around January 2015. During the project 3 expansion books and 2 extra races were added. Moving into March 2015 and we her about another Deadzone KS this time it is an “expansion” and “tidy up” of the rules however as time goes by the “tidy up” changes to a full rewrite, with a lot of the original gone. Since 2013 their has been no “new” support for DZ (and the same could also be said for Mars Attacks) and I dare say the same will apply to DZ:I, Warpath, and The Walking Dead.

Its a shame Mantic do make some good models but however their support of their systems and to the army of fans is next to zero, It seems if Mantic cannot fund it via Kick starter then it does not get made!

Its time to take a look at the various KS projects that I have backed………

All Quite On The Martian Front: As I said in the last KS post AQOTMF is dead! I have recived to letters from the states (as have many backers) from the the US bankruptcy courts, which means I will get nothing as their is nothing left. At the moment I am unsure if I want to hold on to what I have or to part with it.

Shadows Of Brimstone: Wave 1.5 is on its way! (well it has been since the 29th of February) It seems to have been caught up at UK customs for about 10 days now hopefully their will be some progress soon.

Alien vs Predator: So as we came towards the end of February had anything turned up?  and what did Prodos do? drop a bomb shell that they had run out of plastic door bases, adding yet another delay in getting Wave 2 out of the door. On the 10th I sent a message to both of the Prodos emails. Saying “that I was not worried about the plastic stands, and if it would speed things up send my wave 2 with out them” After all I have 2 copies of the game from wave 1, and the third is only for the models. Low and behold the next day I received an email telling me my order has been partially sent. Lets see what happens.

Conan: Nothing new, but Monolith still post semi regular updates showing things like the layouts of the card components, prototype boxes, painted models, etc. Despite the project being delayed the guys at Monolith still take the time to show backers stuff.

Deadzone Infestation: Looks like the rulebook has only just gone to print, and mantic hope to get everything shipped by later this month. Hopefully this time things are better then the 1st edition.

Zombicide BP: Looks to be gearing up for dispatch in the next few weeks.

Warpath: Still sitting on the fence, I was hoping that DZ:I would arrive so that I could see what this new plastic is like. As it stands now I may well give it a miss.

Dropfleet Commander: Hawk Wargames have sown quite a few digital renders over the past month or so, with the space station catching my eye.

The Walking dead: As I said in the last KS post I was sitting on he fence with the WD game, but in the end I stuck with it. And in the end it raised $685.853, it did however suffer from Mantic not throwing loads of “shit” at the project as they have done before. However I threw $235.00 at the project, netting me the “something to fear” pledge as well as the Woodbury and Prison expansions, as well as the scenery booster. when the pledge manger comes out I will proberly add another $50 for the other 3 deluxe mats.

So with any luck this month should hopefully see 3 projects turn up Shadows Of Brimstone, Alien vs Predator, and Deadzone: Infestation.

With Zombicide: BP next month.